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The Curse Of Drumer




Tammy
Mon Feb 29 14:38:07 2016
Douglas, whether the comment was constructive or negative you learn from it. Why wasn't the gamebook liked? Maybe there's room for improvement next time. I always seem to get terrible reviews on stuff I've worked very hard on but I try to improve myself and try to understand what it is that made the person who read my gamebook dislike it so much? Of course, now I could really give a rat's ass about it all but I guess getting negative remarks on your work can strike a harsh cord.

meschlum
Thu Mar 10 00:41:06 2016
Star - optimum ending reached
Noticed a minor bug - towards the beginning, when attacked by zombies and skeletons, if the Fear check is failed (meaning the zombies cannot be shot), the opponents are two pairs of (weak) Zombies (sections 192 and 440), rather than Zombies then (stronger) Skeletons (sections 476 and 473) if you pass the check and do not shoot.

So it could be a situation where failing a Fear check is better?

friedrich berg
Fri May 13 13:34:27 2016
Skull - non-optimum ending reached
It was pretty cool

Robert Douglas
Fri May 13 23:35:38 2016
Thanks Friedrich. Sorry you got killed - just out of interest where did it happen?

Stinger
Thu Jul 6 00:17:10 2017
Skull - non-optimum ending reached
Man I've played through three times now and still I find a way to die. lol Thanks so much for this really interesting, and scary little gamebook! :)
The only thing I never understood was why I had to keep doing skill checks once I found the sacred axe, I forget now what its called. But I had to test my skill about three times over, and I never was clear on why? To may haps see if I were worthy?
Thanks for this book, and this good group of friends we travel and fight here with, I really like the way they work together.
My last lesson learned, never test your luck in a darkend passageway. :P

Stinger
Fri Jul 7 06:29:13 2017
Star - optimum ending reached
This time I started with SK 12 ST 24 LK 11 and fear 12. Glad I went with the 24 stamina, I needed nearly every bit of it! :)
Not sure why I was unable to use the provisions in my previous game, possibly it had something to do with my IPhone? No clue, But I'll be playing on my desktop from now on.

finally, the nightmare is over - the Curse of Drumer has ended!
Thanks again RD for another fun but on edge run through TCOD. Just glad I figured out the answer to the combonation door with the orb, methinks that helped a lot!
Next play through I'll have to try the alternate weapon and choices. Thanks again! :D

Stinger
Sun Jul 9 09:10:26 2017
Skull - non-optimum ending reached
Somehow I failed the tests, and was killed by the ice demon. ⚰️

Babap
Tue Jul 25 14:34:13 2017
Star - optimum ending reached
Took me long enough to find the good ending.

Surprisingly the first puzzle actually cause me a lot of time, for those who got stuck the answer is:

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Feels a bit sad that the ending results in the protagonist moving away from his/her home, as if he/she can't be the same again. Understandable, but still make the victory rang a little hollow to me.

RogueOne
Tue Oct 24 01:12:44 2017
Star - optimum ending reached
Done!

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Robert Douglas
Wed Nov 1 03:50:38 2017
RogueOne,
Well done! However,
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Robert Douglas
Wed Nov 1 04:12:59 2017
A late reply to Babap's post during July: it wasn't actually the protagonist's home, the player's character was newly arrived to the area on 'business' with Scott and Jimmy (who were associates both local to the area). Terry turned out to be the brother of
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It's possible he lived either locally or from some distance away yet endeavoured to find his missing sister, but by now resolved to avenge her. Whatever the case, he joined forces with Richard Ettingley, an aristocrat from a wealthy estate that has a long history of rivalry with the Drumers. With the player's quest concluded (entry 400), and haunted by the loss of his friend Scott, and all the horrors, he decides to leave the area for good.

Xena
Mon Nov 6 11:47:23 2017
Skull - non-optimum ending reached
Fun

Babap
Fri Jan 12 21:32:07 2018
Star - optimum ending reached
Been a while, but playing it again. This book is always that awesome to me.

Anonymous
Mon Apr 9 16:54:40 2018
Why is there ALWAYS bats in Fighting Fantasy adventures? They kill me every time, and i hate it! Good story, though.

Robert Douglas
Tue Apr 10 15:44:32 2018
I feel a bit guilty about including bats within a villainous capacity; they're often misunderstood creatures. However, I don't think there are many people would have them as a pet, or keep them as they do pigeons or chickens. And they are creatures of the night so it's more convenient to categorise them as familiars for witches and vampires. On the other hand, bats are wildlife protected by the RSPCA and other animal trusts. Sorry you got killed, glad you enjoyed it :)

meschlum
Sat Aug 11 03:00:53 2018
Star - optimum ending reached
When using Dibir Malacht with Honour, Fear rolls were still required (and fortunately passed) when seeking the Gold Cross. The automatic successes may not be working?
I think that they are, but the way that I've implemented it may be confusing. What happens is that you don't even see the two automatic successes that Dibir Mallacht gives you, you are just sent straight to the 'successful' paragraph. What I suspect you're seeing are the third and subsequent rolls, and you have already benefited from the Honour power.

Shadow
Sat Jan 19 14:15:09 2019
I share everyone's sentiments about the stat rolls - in particular there don't seem to be enough ways to restore luck so, even if you start with a luck of 12, at some point you're rolling against a score of 5 or 6. Also,
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However I know this is something that has been mentioned a lot previously, and having attempted to write my own 'FF-style' stories in the past, I know how hard it can be. So I would like to praise the author for both his dedication and the amazing results that emerged. House of Hell was the first ever FF book I read, and as a 9-year old the picture of the goat-headed demon accompanying passage 222 (I think) was traumatizing, but helped get me really into the genre. So to have an adventure so closely linked to that great FF classic is truly satisfying, and immensely enjoyable to revisit the location after it was burnt down.


Aside from its continuity with Jackson's creation, the story itself is brilliantly well-written, with great character development and a certain flair that makes you want to read on, and therefore makes dying even more frustrating. The author should be very proud of his work, and whilst there are obviously a few minor issues, the story as a whole is fully engaging and should not bother a true FF fan at all.

Robert Douglas
Sun Jan 20 11:57:10 2019
Hi Shadow,

Thanks for the kind comments. I enjoyed writing The Curse of Drumer. It's a shame I got a bit carried away with the frequency of stats rolls. Since then, I've tried to limit their amount in future FF endeavours. Live and learn is a handy proverb; it's silly to repeat mistakes.

On a side-note, my bookworm marathon (over the past two years) will conclude in late Winter (early March). I'm currently reading Dan Snow's 'Death or Glory' - a gripping account of James Wolfe capturing Quebec - before my progression to 'War of the Wolf' by Bernard Cornwell. Oddly, the latter sounds like an FF title! After which I'll be free to write further FF adventures.

Shadow
Sun Jan 20 14:18:10 2019
I share everyone's sentiments about the stat rolls - in particular there don't seem to be enough ways to restore luck so, even if you start with a luck of 12, at some point you're rolling against a score of 5 or 6. Also,
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However I know this is something that has been mentioned a lot previously, and having attempted to write my own 'FF-style' stories in the past, I know how hard it can be. So I would like to praise the author for both his dedication and the amazing results that emerged. House of Hell was the first ever FF book I read, and as a 9-year old the picture of the goat-headed demon accompanying passage 222 (I think) was traumatizing, but helped get me really into the genre. So to have an adventure so closely linked to that great FF classic is truly satisfying, and immensely enjoyable to revisit the location after it was burnt down.


Aside from its continuity with Jackson's creation, the story itself is brilliantly well-written, with great character development and a certain flair that makes you want to read on, and therefore makes dying even more frustrating. The author should be very proud of his work, and whilst there are obviously a few minor issues, the story as a whole is fully engaging and should not bother a true FF fan at all.

paul
Mon Mar 18 17:54:14 2019
Skull - non-optimum ending reached
killed by a vampire, oh the indignity. this was a fun gamebook, well plotted. some of the text is a little hammy, but it doesn't hinder it once you get into it.

Etienne
Wed Jan 1 03:09:18 2020
I couldn't go through with it. I couldn't get into the dialogue which felt unrealistic to me considering the circumstances. It felt like a script for an Indiana Jones movie with the casual banter going on after someone's dad just died.

Too many references without choices as well. Reading from a reference to another reference without having any choices at all was disappointing to me. It felt linear at times and sort of like reading a book as opposed to being a participant in the story.

Still congratulations on writing the whole thing. Just not my cup of tea, not saying it's a not a good book.

Robert Douglas
Fri Jan 3 17:04:48 2020
Hi Etienne,
Sorry you didn't like the style of dialogue. Being an Indiana Jones fan (right from very beginning when Raiders was released in 1981) I'll take that as a compliment. Bear in mind that the gamebooks on this list automatically take into account what items/notes the player came across; as you pointed out there might be half a dozen references to read through before presenting you with a proper (click) choice of action/direction/test roll. TCOD's admittedly more linear design doesn't exactly follow a multi-branch map that you might find in, say, 'Scorpion Swamp' or the recent 'Gates of Death'. If you prefer the typical, old-school style of a gamebook, there is always the Downloads Section as an option. However, good news is that the gamebook I'm currently working on might more suit your tastes as regards dialled down dialogue, a simpler narrative, and a greater number of choices :)

Etienne
Sat Jan 4 16:01:44 2020
Well it’s a matter of personal preferences. I think I had some expectations of something similar to House of Hell since it’s related. House of Hell had very little humor (if any) and focused on setting up a grim atmosphere.

I think I would’ve reacted differently if your book wasn’t somehow linked to HoH. I think an Indiana Jonesesque dialogue works nicely in an action/adventure context but in this case I believe this kind of character interaction does a disservice to anything horror-related.

Again, it depends what you’re going for. I can’t feel any immersion if the main character reacts in an unrealistic fashion. I think it’s perhaps why the communication of protagonists in ff games is often passive as opposed to actual text quotes because it facilitates immersion.

We all have ideas as to what gamebooks *should* be. I personally could never get into « Wrong Way Go Back » because of the comedic overtone. It’s not for me but I’m not saying it’s bad, it’s not what I’m looking for.

I think predictability is also a big element of immersion. Giving choices which are things someone in a certain situation would likely do. If the reaction is unthinkable or counter-intuitive, immersion is gone.

As for the amount of choices, I think that’s a key element when it comes to game books. A lot of realistic choices which provide a lot of different outcomes. As a player, I expect to take part in the story as opposed to passively being told what happens as this the nature of a book or novella.

I think if someone is very attached to the telling of a very specific story, it’s sometimes better to opt not to use the gamebook format. It allows the development of characters as the writer intends to as opposed to being based on the player’s decision.

I think a lack of agency hinders immersion, involvement and ultimately fun. In your gamebook, I could hardly continue when the protagonist would use quips while being pursued by crazed cultists. No one would ever react like that. I think running away in fear would be what most people would do, saving their breath to save their lives as opposed to saying: « I’ll take my chances! »

I’m writing all of this as feedback for your next creation. Feel free to dismiss my message, it’s just my opinion after all.

Robert Douglas
Sat Jan 4 16:35:06 2020
Okay, thanks for the response and feedback :)

Rob
Mon Apr 20 16:22:15 2020
Skull - non-optimum ending reached
Very well written and lengthy. Really enjoying it. Its would be great to find a way to identify longer novels in the home screen. This book feels like a real luxury amongst the shorter ones.
The lengths of all the gamebooks are shown here.

YARD
Thu Sep 21 16:21:07 2023
Star - optimum ending reached
I have played this right after a House of Horror, almost as a double feature of a sort. After all, both are related to the same canon gamebook, House of Hell.

I'll say that reading the comments here after beating this might be the most mystified I have ever felt on here. One reason was all the discussion about a really simple puzzle early on, (though it seems like it used to be worse than it is right now?) and effectively nothing about everything else in those early stretches. To me, this work is almost every bit as as the House of Horror is good, and nearly everything redeeming about it comes way down the line. The background and early refs in this one are effectively the absolute worst out of every gamebook I have seen here - and by now, that's nearly all of them.

For starters, we literally do not know anything about his friends, Scott and Jimmy from that background and have no idea what that "important meeting" at a ruined house was meant to be about. All we see is the player character doing something obviously idiotic, yet we are supposed to care? The later revelation that they were all crims somewhat explains the venue, yet it effectively means that the protagonist blurted out the location of their secret criminal meeting to everybody at the pub, for zero good reason, so it at best replaces one idiocy with another. We never really learn why those two decided to pick that specific spot, or why they chose to arrive there days earlier, so all of Jimmy's whining rings particularly hollow.

Then, FF struggles to integrate guns at the best of times, for sure, but the approach here is even more arbitrary than that of Bodies in the Docks. The first proper action scene, at 181, is an accidental masterclass in incoherence. At the start, we are told that there are "a dozen" cultists (i.e. 12 at most, including the leader.) Yet, by the time we run past ALL OF THEM to the Land Rover, there are only two in the vicinity and a dog (which we shoot through our own windscreen, yet it apparently does not die.) We shoot one point-blank, the other one manages to struggle for control of the shotgun, the missed shot from shatters the leg of what is apparently another acolyte (since the first one would already be dead?).

Then, you somehow manage to hold onto the shotgun with one hand (even while the acolyte is pulling at it with two?) as you are unsheathing a knife that is now at your belt (even though the preceding ref 98 only mentions it being in your bag, and doesn’t describe you clipping it on) and stabbing with it. Then, you are pushing that guy who is heavily wounded in the stomach into a charging acolyte. (Which charging acolyte? Presumably not the one you shot point-blank or the one whose leg was shattered) So, we somehow go from dozen cultists, to two, to at least four, of whom three would be dead or incapacitated by them (while the high priest is just...forgotten about). Further, you STILL have 13 shotgun shells left at that point - more than there are cultists you could see, and apparently, none of them had any guns! Yet, instead of doing the reasonable thing and shooting them all, you "keep the smoking barrel trained in their general direction whilst darting back towards the relative safety of the ruins". Relative safety FROM WHAT?! If you are the only one who has the gun, for whatever reason, (since nobody shot at you while you were running to Land Rover in the first place - although some cultists do use guns later on), then out in the open you have range to use it. Someone had already tried to grab at your gun once, and the ruins would only give more chances to do just that.

This incredible looseness with setting out the parameters of each encounter (something which the subsequent Robert Douglas works were MUCH better at), makes the chase scenes afterwards feel nonsensical. You, a guy with a shotgun, and Jimmy, can end up hiding in a skull pit from three guys and a demon dog (of course, if you fail, you suddenly get instakilled with a crossbow). There's also a passageway narrow enough for you to shoot at them one by one if you tried - but you have to flee regardless. Yet, later on, you HAVE to fight six guys at once in melee, in the darkness, and you apparently win. It's just totally nonsensical.

Some, initial, aversion to killing COULD help explain this: after all, a criminal doesn't mean a murderer (and committing a lone murder and standing and shooting at a crowd are different things anyway). It doesn't, though, since that's the one thing the protagonist clearly DOESN'T feel. It takes until ref 10, more than halfway into the story, for our character to make ANY comment about anyone he just killed - and it's about the least sympathetic torturer cultist, to (justifiably) say he doesn't care. If you avoid taking a shotgun (you shouldn't) you can get a scene where he beats a cultist to death with a flashlight, with a hilarious lack of emotion.

YARD
Thu Sep 21 17:16:22 2023
For that matter, that scene is also a hot mess: ref 265 says you have a torch from the start, yet you instead fight with a torch the cultist dropped, after trying to stab (?) you with it, instead of just attacking with a dagger immediately, like he does after losing the torch anyway. (And no, I have to assume the torch was electric, since you get the same reference to "flickering" regardless of whether or not you have a flashlight, and while holding both a shotgun and a flashlight is iffy, I don't even want to think about the mechanics of holding a shotgun and a wooden torch.)

Meanwhile, if you have a shotgun, then the only reason the torturer survives for long enough to be killed later on (unless you fail a sudden LUCK and SKILL check, which is all too possible, and one of the biggest barriers to lower-stat characters here) is because he manages to survive a shotgun blast by hiding behind a brazier then kicking it in your direction. Apparently, a brazier is not only bulletproof, but isn't going to wobble and spill any hot coals after getting shot at whatsoever, unlike when it's kicked. Similarly, your shotgun apparently has a range of 6 meters or so (I'll let you look up real-life ranges yourself) as you do not even TRY to shoot at a high priest when he is close enough to converse with you without difficulty. As I said, the narrative logic around firearms didn't seem to go remotely beyond "blasting cultists with big gun cool!" You do have to go through a SKILL check every time you shoot, though, just like in Bodies in the Docks (wouldn't be surprised if it was a direct inspiration.) The difference is that Bodies in the Docks didn't have scenes like ref 338 here

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- ALL OF WHICH happens without a single skill check. The difference between that, and a skill check fest that is the shootout with two fireball-flinging flying demons (who somehow continue to toss two fireballs at once, which must be dodged individually, even AFTER you destroyed one of them already) is very apparent. This doesn't have THAT big of an issue with long choice-free stretches when compared to most other Douglas' works, but these "pure Hollywood" refs where the character suddenly stops needing the dice and carries out feats many times more complex than the ones he just needed skill checks moments earlier, on autopilot, are incredibly out of place.

It doesn't help that pretty much as soon as you are out of the mansion's ruins (which happens quite quickly), and find characters in addition to Jimmy, the dialogue is either exposition or incredibly cringeworthy sub-Whedonite banter all the time. Jimmy at first stands in place and has a breakdown over father's death while cultists are trying to break through the door, then forgets effectively ALL about it and his personality is reduced to saying "bonnie" in EVERY OTHER SENTENCE. Unfortunately, out of the two paths to victory, it is the far more obvious one that brings you into contact with more people and forces you to suffer through far more dialogue and plot holes. The other path is just much, much better narratively, though it is sadly much less hospitable to characters without max SKILL, and still has some weirdness (317 instakills you even if you DO have the weapon which works in all the "adjacent" refs?)

YARD
Thu Sep 21 17:30:51 2023
On the other hand, the "main path" is just completely illogical. To wit:

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Then again,

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YARD
Thu Sep 21 17:50:58 2023
And of course, proofreading.

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Robert Douglas
Thu Sep 21 21:23:53 2023
Hello YARD,

Thanks for giving The Curse of Drumer a read. It's good to see enthusiasm from fellow fans, and constructive criticism is indeed welcome, in particular regarding gameplay and mechanics. It is important to get a balance. However, speaking of balance, you do yourself need to observe a certain degree of decorum with far less frustration when listing aspects which need work or improvement.

While I do understand your reading TCOD required several hours of your time, please remember planning and writing a standard 400-ref gamebook is at least ten times that amount. Furthermore, while it is done voluntarily, as a hobby, authors contributing to this website are not paid, unlike those within FF, Lone Wolf, and other series. While I'm absolutely fine with that, barbed reviews sting far more on here than on, for example, an Amazon listing - because at least the author is getting paid for their time and trouble. And a customer has a right to feel annoyed when spending a fiver or so on a book they ended up not enjoying. But even world-famous, wealthy paid artists (authors, illustrators, actors, rocks stars, etc) can struggle with difficult reviews. The late, great comedian Les Dawson mentioned in an interview that, during his early stage years, he received some hurtful comments - when his only 'crime' was to make people laugh - and not many were supportive nor positive towards his career in any way.

That you were 'mystified' by comments made by other FF fans in this thread, the answer is really quite simple: most of them enjoyed TCOD for what it was, while you clearly didn't. Fair enough! But if you can do any better, then please, go ahead and show us how it's done....

Robert Douglas
Thu Sep 21 22:09:16 2023
Hi YARD,

I'd also like to point out some flaws in the points you made throughout the second paragraph:

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YARD
Fri Sep 22 19:35:26 2023
Hi!

And well, this was quite fast. By now, I went through every other one of your digitized adventures on here, sometimes over a month ago - but this is the very first time I receive a reply, and only hours later.

Yes, writing requires time and effort. So do a lot of things. By now, there are tens of thousands of video games you can download for free - and I am NOT talking about piracy or even abandonware. Often, their creators had to think about code, writing, art and music all at once. There's also the effort that goes into assembling even a short live-action film, or a full-length machinima, and many, many people have done those things for free as well. Let's just move on.

With your second response, I would like to mention theory of mind, if I may.

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Lastly, worry not - I would not have committed myself to the effort of going through everything digitized on this website if I did not harbour the ambitions of writing one or more myself. I have certainly learned a lot about what to do (and what not to do) from the authors here, and barring unforeeseen circumstances, I intend to put that to good use, sooner rather than later.

P.S. A reminder to FFProject that one of my posts on this thread is still caught up in the filter?

Norman
Fri Aug 9 00:45:22 2024
Star - optimum ending reached
I can only assume the author was personally hurt by the House of Hell book and wanted to make a fun book where you blow away all the demons. I heartily approve.

Robert Douglas
Fri Aug 9 12:53:04 2024
Hi Norman, thanks for playing, hope you enjoyed it, and well done for completing the adventure. In truth 'House of Hell' was one of my favourite FF titles back in the day - both in concept and design. But when writing a sequel, I didn't want to do something too similar, i.e. a house or dungeon layout. While 'The Curse of Drumer' lacks that sense of claustrophobic horror, and part of the adventure does take place indoors, it still has many terrifying twists and turns in the night. Use of guns was an added element of which I'm glad you approve - it worked for some, and not for others - and I reworked the Fear attribute in similar fashion to the Luck mechanic. I wanted it to penalize rather than simply accumulate to the dreaded max reached. From the beginning, in more ways than one, I didn't want it to be a clone of 'House of Hell'.



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