@C-Star: did you finish Outsider!? The final reference is the middle of a combat.
C-Star Tue Jul 17 08:48:23 2012
Ah, Outsider must be one of the exceptions to the rule then. Sorry for the confusion.
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I only got the 'Defender' ending, but that was a long time ago, so I don't remember what paragraph it was.
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I loved Outsider too. A single playthrough takes a pretty long time! There's quite a few twists and turns and the multiple endings give it a lot of replay value. Shame the sequel never happened though...
C-Star Sun Aug 5 20:30:59 2012
So I finally decided to try and properly complete Outsider. I never would have guessed just how much I missed out on the last time I played! The book was incredibly long (Thank god for bookmarking!). The plot was really great and I also liked the feature of
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A companion that can fight alongside you.
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The endings were numbered really weird, hence the confusion on which is the best. (Again, sorry Glen) But, due to how satisfying it is, and the fact that it seems the hardest to obtain, I really think that
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Paragraph 56 is the best ending.
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Glen Mon Aug 6 08:00:52 2012
@C-Star: Don't sweat it. It really is a fantastic gamebook and I'm just happy that we seem to have reached the same conclusion. I kept missing the following:
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Becoming a necromancer's apprentice in the beginning
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and that's why I found the 'true' ending hard to reach.
By the way,
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In the first mission, if you attack the apprentice wizard son and then let him live, you obtain a special scar. Did you ever find a use for this?
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C-Star Mon Aug 6 11:02:38 2012
The tunnels in the beginning were very confusing. Once you were done there the rest wasn't nearly as mind boggling. I did actually find a use for the scar, but it's not exactly good.
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When looking for Defender, try to use your old contacts. When this fails, look for a wizard. What happens when you find one changes depending on whether you have the scar or not.
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I have a question too.
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When you have to assasinate the Count, you can go through the forest. There is a house in the forest which, if you enter, will kill you. But you see Eddora in the house. My question is simply; what the hell is with that house? And who or what is the thing that looks like Eddora that's in it?
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joe Sun Mar 10 17:19:38 2013
Hey I have played this site for a while and really enjoy it. However, I was wondering does anyone know the optimum ending for outsider I have tried everything and can't seem to find anything. the farthest I can get is the point where you get killed by all the assassins.
C-Star Sun Mar 10 18:13:48 2013
@Joe
I think I know what ending you got. That's not the best one. To get the best ending, you need to do onr thing with each of your 3 potential fathers.
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1. Become the necromancer's apprentice and resurrect a certain person. (But leave the sewer after you do this)
2. Live with the count and save him when he gets hurt hunting (but leave after that.
3. Become Defender's apprentice, but leave when he asks you to take his place as Defender.
You will fight an extra enemy in the end of the book. If Eddora survives this fight, and you weren't bitten "down there" by the vampire, you will get the best ending.
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joe Mon Mar 11 01:36:25 2013
Thanks got it.
Thezoo Thu Nov 28 22:57:07 2013
Great endings!
ben Sun Jan 5 12:48:49 2014
Good book, though the bit with the necromancer was really harsh (lots of random rooms which insta-killed you)
ben Sun Jan 5 14:57:13 2014
did I win?
In short, if you'd reached the best ending, there would have been a message saying CONGRATULATIONS, and the message that you posted to the guestbook would have a star and not a skull. So, no.
That being said, this is what Gavin Mitchell wrote in the 'Hints On Play' section :
This is a complex and multi-layered adventure, and while many encounters and choices will eventually prove fatal, many others will result in one of many possible outcomes that could be considered victory. It is up to you to decide exactly what the word 'victory' means! It could be said that some of the victories have a higher 'level' than others; then again, some forms of victory may appeal differently depending on your personality. Ultimately, the choice is yours.
Treating Outsider! as a game, I always felt that one particular ending had a higher level than the others, and that is the one that I have marked as the best ending. I suspect, though, that Gavin regards a different, less symmetrical outcome to be the best one.
Evan Sat Jan 18 04:53:40 2014
slightly lame ending, but gg
For the record, Evan was killed by Eichlan, which is quite early on. This makes me wonder if people are seeing 'THE END' when they are killed and assuming that they've reached the end of the story.
Leonard Wed Feb 5 21:44:49 2014
That was a magnificent experience. My mind boggles at the mere thought of just how long and how much effort this epic must have taken to write. I can't wait to see something else from whoever made this.
Sam Mon Mar 31 11:44:34 2014
Awesome!
G. MITCHELL Wed May 7 12:14:05 2014
Nice to know people still appreciate the best thing I ever wrote and the best thing I probably ever will write. But I don't sleep with hot elf babes anymore, I just teach martial arts - for which my book is on Lulu and Amazon. But no one knows who the final boss of Outsider is. Not even me.
G. Mitchell Wed May 7 12:18:52 2014
And I never wanted to be an assassin.... hell, readers, can't you guess????? :)
Gavin Wed May 7 15:54:15 2014
Was 15 years ago I wrote this one, maybe? But essentially it reflects a time of my life where I expected to wind up a middle class guy with kids, living with 'Eddora' in fact, and It's taken this long and a lot of pain to realise, this isn't me and it never was.
Yaztromo Wed May 7 21:30:05 2014
Sometimes is really insightful looking back at things like what you mention... all the best!
Sand Gauze Wide Snake Thu May 8 12:19:55 2014
Very true. And to paraphrase the intro what I wrote, there was only on option for one with a 25+ year fascination with the occult. I became a Pagan - and am no longer the OUTSIDER. Brigadier Darth Salamander, Bar. Plum. Nudge.
Sand Gauze Wide Snake Thu May 8 12:20:02 2014
Very true. And to paraphrase the intro what I wrote, there was only on option for one with a 25+ year fascination with the occult. I became a Pagan - and am no longer the OUTSIDER. Brigadier Darth Salamander, Bar. Plum. Nudge.