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Bloodsworth Bayou
Golem Gauntlet
Shrine Of The Salamander
A Flame In The North
A Shadow In The North
Escape Neuburg Keep
Any Port In A Storm
Below Zero Point
Tales From The Bird Islands
The Ravages Of Fate
Nye's Song
A Knight's Trial
Return To G15-275
Devil's Flight
Above The Waves
The Curse Of Drumer
The Word Fell Silent
A Strange Week For King Melchion The Despicable
Sharkbait's Revenge
Tomb Of The Ancients
A Midwinter Carol
The Dead World
Waiting For The Light
Contractual Obligation
Garden Of Bones
The Hypertrout
The Golden Crate
In The Footsteps Of A Hero
Soul Tracker
Planet Of The Spiders
Beggars Of Blacksand
The Diamond Key
Wrong Way Go Back
Hunger Of The Wolf
Isle Of The Cyclops
The Cold Heart Of Chaos
The Black Lobster
Impudent Peasant!
Curse Of The Yeti
Bad Moon Rising
Riders Of The Storm
Bodies In The Docks
House Of Horror
Rebels Of The Dark Chasms
Midnight Deep
Lair Of The Troglodytes
Outsider!
The Trial Of Allibor's Tomb
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YARD
Sat Sep 2 11:33:56 2023
Hellfire
To clarify one of the points above:

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Now, the remaining typos I spotted (I didn't try most of the post-acid trap options, particularly the ones which only appear with failed checks, so I would suggest ffproject personally gives them a second look.)


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YARD
Sat Sep 2 11:48:36 2023
Sharkbait's Revenge
OK, I'll spell it out if I have to.

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Another observation.

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Some more grammatical details:


58

"that catches your eye is the barbers." (apostrophe?) + "which may be interesting :" (space).

68

"runs away to the leg that you can now see." (to a leg?)

I also have to ask about the missing hyphens.

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YARD
Sat Sep 2 14:38:20 2023
Impudent Peasant!
I have already seen many comments on other works' threads warmly refer to this tale, and I can certainly see why! Like his first work on here, Lair Of The Troglodytes, it's a cleverly written and humorous look at the low-powered side of Titan. Unlike it, it's a lot less restrictive - while your limited options in that story were mostly well-justified by the inherent weakness of the character, being automatically forced to march to Chief's Lair sooner or later felt like an overkill.

That, and being a human peasant fighting goblinoids is clearly more relatable than being a troglodyte warrior to a typical reader as well. While some of us may malign this inherent bias, it's hard not to admire the details here, like player's regular preoccupation with the weather and having to deal with leaks in his roof all the time. The concerns and preoccupations of only somewhat wealthier farmers and merchants come alive on the page as well, along with all the locale descriptions.

It's a pity you cannot attempt to use the torch to either set the goose tree on fire or to generate smoke to scare off the bees, but then again, the torches are already essentially the most useful thing you start off with by far. After all, bow and arrow is rather underused when compared to, say, what you could do with in A Saint Beckons (written nearly two decades later, I know.) I was hoping you could attempt to use it against the final boss, or at least against more of his forces before the big battle begins.

And I suppose everyone who had played this to completion knows that he fishing rod is practically a trap option, not only making it harder to win the more you use it, but even a typical fishing day is actually far MORE dangerous than a typical job board day. (To the point that a "spend the entire week fishing and see the town destroyed" or "spend all but one day fishing, survive" challenge might make sense.) I am surprised that you are not able to just abandon the fishing rod and flee, and must fight to death every time instead.

Now, typos. Firstly, there are excessive spaces again (a lot of the earliest submissions seem to have them?)

7, 9, 11, 21, 31, 33, 34, 41, 45, 53, 55, 60, 64, 68, 77, 79, 80, 83, 85, 89, 90, 91 - extra space between the options and the question mark or period.

2

"whose antadorned surfaces" (hyphen?)

8

" a large, crowlike bird" (hyphen?)

15

" cooks what appears to be the remains" (tense?)

23

"it has more than four legs,"says" (missing space.)

24

"You may fire an arrow at the RAVEN, but the it is a difficult target to hit."

27

" Also, by doing so in such weather lessens the risk of us setting all this corner of Allansia aflame" (is "by" necessary here?)

37

"of his two remaining dogs. " (extra space.)

39

"small, fireblackened figure" (hyphen?) + "near to you" (is "to" needed here?) + "and dressed like some sort of sneak-thief." (a?)

46

"of once what was its neck."

47

"you may eat one meal , two meals or nothing." (extra space.)

57 - mentions multiple carcasses even if you had only fought one carrion bug.

66

"the prospect of a day of unpaid idle however," (idleness?)

68

"You job would be"

79

"Galana the Gardner" (?) + "its highcolumned galleries" (hyphen?) + a strangely placed paragraph break.

87

"You spent a short time " (tense?)

90

"ike slowmoving phantoms." (hyphen?)

92

" now broken storm lantern" (hyphen?)

YARD
Sat Sep 2 14:51:25 2023
Impudent Peasant!
Star - optimum ending reached
Forgot to enter a name before hitting submit the last time, and it seems that this erases "the victor's star" from your post when you do re-enter your name. Oh well.

Speaking of stars: the more works I check out here, the more I am interested in seeing a fourth kind of post-run symbol. There is currently a star (victory), shooting star (all-challenge victory) and a skull for everything else. I think it would be nice to see a symbol for the endings where the character does not reach the initial stated goal, but also doesn't fail catastrophically, with outcomes ranging from acceptable to arguably better than the main ending(s). I am thinking of

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White flag would be an acceptable pictogram, I guess, though some stylized flower might be even cooler (since a lot of those endings are comparatively peaceful next to the primary ones.)
Not a bad idea. I'll have a think about a suitable symbol.

MPerera
Sun Sep 3 06:29:12 2023
Waiting For The Light
Star - optimum ending reached
Finally won this!

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YARD
Sun Sep 3 14:23:59 2023
Bad Moon Rising
Star - optimum ending reached
Wow, this is the first gamebook I won on the first try, and with SKILL of 7 to boot! I didn't try too hard, and really expected to get killed by the options somewhere down the line, but nope, somehow the most important skill checks got passed, and the whole thing worked!

In all, Bad Moon Rising certainly warrants its "easy" rating. Personally, I prefer at least the difficulty of Impudent Peasant! (where some wrong choices can still kill even really early on), up to about A Princess of Zamarra, with the upper end of difficulty like Hellfire and Soul Tracker requiring the ability to anticipate some extremely arbitrary logic more than anything else. Still, while this is about as easy as Tomb of the Ancients, Bad Moon Rising is a far superior work, with a much stronger sense of location and a far better defined protagonist (not to mention more interesting supporting cast.)

There's only so much to say about a winning run of <50 refs, so I might as well post what I have encountered so far right now, to preserve this moment, and proofread the other paths later.


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YARD
Sun Sep 3 14:42:08 2023
Hellfire
So, this is the URL where I got the Spider-Man bug:

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I think the bugs to do with POSSESSIONS might be caused if their presence is combined with some of the things you do not need on the true ending path? Then again, perhaps I really did not look hard enough that time.

Also, I am glad to see that some typo fixes have already happened by now! Now that I finally know how to win, I can focus more on the text specifically, and have to offer some more.

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I think I have in fact discovered one way in which this version is harder than the document due to interface specifically, and it's hardly what I would have expected.

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Lastly, I just want to say that

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Thanks for the URL, I've fixed the Spider Man bug now. It is an issue associated with clicking on USE at a mid-fight reference, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are other instances of it out there.

MPerera
Sun Sep 3 15:00:42 2023
Beggars Of Blacksand
Star - optimum ending reached
Finally won this one!

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MPerera
Sun Sep 3 15:10:21 2023
Escape Neuburg Keep
Star - optimum ending reached
I was able to beat this one by immediately scrolling to the bottom of each page (to avoid the stomach-churning descriptions) and refusing to say anything.

YARD
Sun Sep 3 15:32:19 2023
Bad Moon Rising
Star - optimum ending reached
After checking out the remaining options, I really appreciate that here, traps are not eternal, and actually degrade and rot! While I certainly agree with one of the other comments there isn't exactly character development or the like going on, the only example where I can recall it happening in a slmilarly-sized story was A Midwinter Carol, where it was extremely awkward. (Brings to mind some critical arguments that adult personalities are typically sufficiently strongly formed that character development ends up unrealistic more often than not.) Refs like 14 are fun enough to read that all is forgotten.

First things first, though - some comments have already mentioned this many years ago, but I have to confirm that at 78, "Go east ?" seemingly redirects back to 78.

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MPerera
Sun Sep 3 21:30:01 2023
Bodies In The Docks
Star - optimum ending reached
I wish it had been longer!

MPerera
Sun Sep 3 23:28:53 2023
The Word Fell Silent
Star - optimum ending reached
Realistic if depressing ending!

MPerera
Mon Sep 4 00:00:50 2023
Gem Runner
Star - optimum ending reached
Won, but it was a tiring and not very interesting process. Mostly a matter of collecting gems and guessing which direction to go in or which block to step on.

YARD
Mon Sep 4 12:21:01 2023
The Cold Heart Of Chaos
Star - optimum ending reached
Well, well, well, this is a 54-ref work, and apparently it was intentionally written as a prologue rather than something truly standalone. I wish these limitations weren't there, but I would say it does about as well as it could even in their presence!

In particular, I really like the way this work makes skill checks feel as not just a formality, or perhaps a way to suddenly fail that you just have to hope to pass, but as genuinely gruelling struggle against numerous obstacles from your character. Out of what I have seen to date, only Nye's Song really captured this feeling this strongly. (Although my beloved A Princess of Zamarra, as well as The Word Fell Silent and Soul Tracker, also come to mind if effective use of skill checks is to be discussed.)

That, and ref 2 is one of the most impressively written bad endings I have ever seen. The others, such as 36, are really good as well. There is also a decent amount of variation for such length, including near the end.

However, it is funny that

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Lastly, I should note that it's considerably better proof-read than some of the other similarly-old and similarly-sized works, which have somehow managed to be absolutely littered with various grammatical issues in spite of their short length. However, it is not completely free of such issues either. (To day, Bloodsworth Bayou might have been the only one that was free of them.)

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YARD
Tue Sep 5 13:02:00 2023
In The Footsteps Of A Hero
Star - optimum ending reached
Yet another fun, bite-sized adventure on here! Also my first to be set in Port Blacksand: I think there are at least three on here from it, including this one? (And all of similar length, for that matter.)

Before I say anything else, I must note it was quite amusing to see that Valience got such a fanclub for herself in the comments of this thread! While you gotta love anyone who can decapitate a SKILL 12 creep menacing your character in two blows (certainly didn't expect this as what is often the first encounter in a "fairly easy" gamebook!), I am a little surprised Angela Luna from Soul Tracker didn't seem to gather quite as much devotion. Then again, that was probably the byproduct of most people's opinion on Soul Tracker getting overwhelmingly coloured by "What do I have to do to get past DESTRUCTION: 3?", leaving little room for reflection on anything else. As far as non-playable female characters on here go, I found it a little sad to see Autumn Moon of Nye's Song or Grauch of A Princess of Zamarra (or the Princess herself, for that matter) go rather unremarked upon even in their own threads.

As for the story itself, I'll say that I still consider the 50-ref format just a little too small altogether for this medium. Yet, this work is one of the best at working with this size. To me, it's almost on par with Andrew Wright's Impudent Peasant! in that regard, the latter pulling ahead mainly because in its marketplace scene, the things you could buy were all useful in at least some sense. In here, half the items that are purchasable are either awaiting that sequel, or are simply red herrings. Even so, it feels more comfortable with this length than either Bad Moon Rising or The Cold Heart of Chaos, both of which feel like episodes clipped out of a larger story; fine episodes, but lacking in internal development all the same.

At the same time, I must say their authors, Davy Stedham and Al Sander, were all significantly stronger writers in a literary sense, same as Andrew Wright. Their ~50 ref managed to make even minor refs feel vivid, and while there are flashes of that here as well (the poor ending at 6 is surprisingly poignant, and I liked the option to run away and avoid getting framed) it's clearly on a level below them altogether. I don't know where Victor Cheng was born and whether English was first or second language for him (as it is for me), but at the end of the day, the words on the page are still there.

Having that said, I must also give him credit for being a lot better at proofreading than some of the other authors here, including the aforementioned ones. Relatively few typos/grammar issues here this time.

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Less important observations.

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Robert Douglas
Wed Sep 6 15:09:15 2023
Below Zero Point
With regards to the previous comment: I highly recommend Peter F Hamilton's excellent Night's Dawn trilogy. Approximately 3,300 pages of pure sci-fi fun in space opera form. And I didn't regret one page of it; time well spent. Such a read was long overdue because of previous commitments. And I would do so all over again. Meantime, I'm due to start the sixth instalment of Earth's Children, at 800 pages in length. On the other hand, perhaps you don't quite have the patience to read even a fraction of that? Seriously, I've never understood why some gamebook readers don't simply sit back and take a more relaxed attitude to enjoy a colourful narrative and story - something which has taken the author many non-profit hours to create, write, and edit. Just skipping all that fun only to focus on the options, and then get angry at failing, only once at that, speaks volumes about a person's overall character. Giving up at the first hurdle. It's very sad that too many people will be going through life missing out on too many important things. So many life lessons gamebooks have to offer, yet nevertheless they go over certain heads.

Andrew Wright
Thu Sep 7 05:45:54 2023
Impudent Peasant!
Thanks for playing this and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I think it was inspired by a competition, or maybe just the thought of what it would be like to grow up in a typical Allansian village, with all the potential carnage on your doorstep. I did do it as a play-by-post with 6 playtesters on the original FF forum I believe, which was fun. Apologies for all the errors!

Andrew Wright
Thu Sep 7 12:16:23 2023
Lair Of The Troglodytes
This was the first amateur Fighting Fantasy adventure I ever planned and wrote, using the advice on Mark Popp's very old fightingfantasy.com website (of which there is a copy in downloads section I believe). I was living in Bangkok as an young English teacher, and would sit at the pool drinking beer and planning it all out. It was fun to write and plan and I'm glad you enjoyed adventuring in it! :-)

MPerera
Thu Sep 7 15:38:02 2023
A Shadow In The North
Star - optimum ending reached
This was pretty good. I especially liked the spells. Provisions don't restore as much stamina as I expected, but there were enough opportunities to either buy more food or gain stamina.

YARD
Thu Sep 7 15:49:46 2023
The Black Lobster
Star - optimum ending reached
After beating In The Footsteps Of A Hero the other day, I decided to power through the other two Blacksand-set stories on here in short order, and here we are!

Not sure how I feel about this one. On one hand, I absolutely LOVED seeing that reference to Demons of the Deep - up until I found this website, it was one of the only two original gamebooks I ever came across. (The other one was Seas of Blood - I guess my initial exposure to Fighting Fantasy was rather atypically marine-themed!) And I still enjoy adventures with low-powered and atypical characters a lot. Chapter titles are also a nice addition - I was at first wondering if it was going to go all the way with ref names, like Soul Tracker, but I guess not.


At the same time, it feels rather arbitrary altogether. Halron's alcoholism (why would a tavern-keeper need any real money in the first place, anyway?) strangely doesn't come into play much, when compared to even the author's own Lair of the Troglodytes. Perhaps it would have been too much of a retread, but then there wouldn't be the addition of recurring characters from Andrew's previous two stories. Unexpectedly, they are not particularly welcome here. as they appear implausibly dumbed down compared to their previous iterations. It's also strange that you have no choice but to talk to them (and lie to them out of spite), yet the follow-up from that inevitable action is completely skippable, in a way which doesn't make much sense.

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On the other hand, the final encounter is both all-but-unskippable, and doesn't make much sense. If it was that easy for someone like them to exhort taverns, how did you even get by for so long? And surely even they would have been able to understand that since your establishment generates money, they could keep coming back and claiming at regular intervals (since if you couldn' repel them once, why would you succeed the next time?) All the railroading towards that battle simply isn't very satisfying. Out of the two endings, the one which involves the axe is just not very interesting (with even a few works on here featuring variations on this ending) or even hopeful (as the character doesn't come across particularly suited for that life, to say the least). The other ending is a lot better, but the path to it is not very satisfying.

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The key conversation in the lead-up to that ending option really needed to be more involved, with more dialogue options to navigate before pulling this off. Sadly, the supporting characters don't get much of a chance to be remembered, since their encounters are rather one-note due to their brevity. I think that this would have likely worked better with the adventure

Finally, proofreading.

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