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YARD
Thu Sep 21 17:16:22 2023
The Curse Of Drumer
For that matter, that scene is also a hot mess: ref 265 says you have a torch from the start, yet you instead fight with a torch the cultist dropped, after trying to stab (?) you with it, instead of just attacking with a dagger immediately, like he does after losing the torch anyway. (And no, I have to assume the torch was electric, since you get the same reference to "flickering" regardless of whether or not you have a flashlight, and while holding both a shotgun and a flashlight is iffy, I don't even want to think about the mechanics of holding a shotgun and a wooden torch.)

Meanwhile, if you have a shotgun, then the only reason the torturer survives for long enough to be killed later on (unless you fail a sudden LUCK and SKILL check, which is all too possible, and one of the biggest barriers to lower-stat characters here) is because he manages to survive a shotgun blast by hiding behind a brazier then kicking it in your direction. Apparently, a brazier is not only bulletproof, but isn't going to wobble and spill any hot coals after getting shot at whatsoever, unlike when it's kicked. Similarly, your shotgun apparently has a range of 6 meters or so (I'll let you look up real-life ranges yourself) as you do not even TRY to shoot at a high priest when he is close enough to converse with you without difficulty. As I said, the narrative logic around firearms didn't seem to go remotely beyond "blasting cultists with big gun cool!" You do have to go through a SKILL check every time you shoot, though, just like in Bodies in the Docks (wouldn't be surprised if it was a direct inspiration.) The difference is that Bodies in the Docks didn't have scenes like ref 338 here

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- ALL OF WHICH happens without a single skill check. The difference between that, and a skill check fest that is the shootout with two fireball-flinging flying demons (who somehow continue to toss two fireballs at once, which must be dodged individually, even AFTER you destroyed one of them already) is very apparent. This doesn't have THAT big of an issue with long choice-free stretches when compared to most other Douglas' works, but these "pure Hollywood" refs where the character suddenly stops needing the dice and carries out feats many times more complex than the ones he just needed skill checks moments earlier, on autopilot, are incredibly out of place.

It doesn't help that pretty much as soon as you are out of the mansion's ruins (which happens quite quickly), and find characters in addition to Jimmy, the dialogue is either exposition or incredibly cringeworthy sub-Whedonite banter all the time. Jimmy at first stands in place and has a breakdown over father's death while cultists are trying to break through the door, then forgets effectively ALL about it and his personality is reduced to saying "bonnie" in EVERY OTHER SENTENCE. Unfortunately, out of the two paths to victory, it is the far more obvious one that brings you into contact with more people and forces you to suffer through far more dialogue and plot holes. The other path is just much, much better narratively, though it is sadly much less hospitable to characters without max SKILL, and still has some weirdness (317 instakills you even if you DO have the weapon which works in all the "adjacent" refs?)

YARD
Thu Sep 21 17:30:51 2023
The Curse Of Drumer
On the other hand, the "main path" is just completely illogical. To wit:

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Then again,

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YARD
Thu Sep 21 17:50:58 2023
The Curse Of Drumer
And of course, proofreading.

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YARD
Thu Sep 21 17:56:30 2023
House Of Horror
I suppose I also want to say that ref 333 arguably sets up a bit of a false expectation. You know, the ref with this paragraph.

"The books are set in a plain black binding. They are written in a strange, unfamiliar language, somewhat similar to Latin, as far as you can tell. Flipping through the pages, you spot several disturbing illustrations - faceless beings, writhing on the ground as if in great pain; an opened box with a whirlpool of ghastly clawed things (demons?) springing out; and one of a robed man holding a star shaped crystal that seems to be shooting out a bolt of searing light straight at a group of hideous and evil looking beings standing nearby."

From that, I really assumed that

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Robert Douglas
Thu Sep 21 21:23:53 2023
The Curse Of Drumer
Hello YARD,

Thanks for giving The Curse of Drumer a read. It's good to see enthusiasm from fellow fans, and constructive criticism is indeed welcome, in particular regarding gameplay and mechanics. It is important to get a balance. However, speaking of balance, you do yourself need to observe a certain degree of decorum with far less frustration when listing aspects which need work or improvement.

While I do understand your reading TCOD required several hours of your time, please remember planning and writing a standard 400-ref gamebook is at least ten times that amount. Furthermore, while it is done voluntarily, as a hobby, authors contributing to this website are not paid, unlike those within FF, Lone Wolf, and other series. While I'm absolutely fine with that, barbed reviews sting far more on here than on, for example, an Amazon listing - because at least the author is getting paid for their time and trouble. And a customer has a right to feel annoyed when spending a fiver or so on a book they ended up not enjoying. But even world-famous, wealthy paid artists (authors, illustrators, actors, rocks stars, etc) can struggle with difficult reviews. The late, great comedian Les Dawson mentioned in an interview that, during his early stage years, he received some hurtful comments - when his only 'crime' was to make people laugh - and not many were supportive nor positive towards his career in any way.

That you were 'mystified' by comments made by other FF fans in this thread, the answer is really quite simple: most of them enjoyed TCOD for what it was, while you clearly didn't. Fair enough! But if you can do any better, then please, go ahead and show us how it's done....

Robert Douglas
Thu Sep 21 22:09:16 2023
The Curse Of Drumer
Hi YARD,

I'd also like to point out some flaws in the points you made throughout the second paragraph:

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YARD
Fri Sep 22 18:33:16 2023
Wrong Way Go Back
Well, I did have to eventually resort to consulting this section to go through this - but only because of the interface. I think the only other time when "Continue" wasn't just "go to next ref" (like it is here too, by the time you are about to reach 100, or if your pockets get full when looting the locker) and had actually meant "USE an item now or die later" was in Hellfire, and I completely forgot about it. Almost as awkard as A Flame in the North suddenly caring about the difference between owned and equipped at the very end.

Or perhaps, I thought that if he can call out the code automatically, he would figure out how to try the screwdriver on his own, and that what I was really lacking was the right combination of a power pack and a connecting cable (or two power packs in case it needed combined power, or even grease if that's what would help the screws) for it to occur automatically once it got assembled.

For that matter, there was also a period of guessing that the robot dog blowing some stuff up with missiles could reveal something useful later on, or even that the medbay sobering you up was a necessary precondition to enabling the ship's controls. Oh well.

Not sure what to say about the rest. A lot of it is certainly amusing, but other moments, like the Titanic reference or the twist, are way too ludicrous for the few laughs they add. Together with that mandatory fight with an effectively equal chance of insta-winning or insta-losing, it kinda cancels out.

The now-traditional section.

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YARD
Fri Sep 22 19:35:26 2023
The Curse Of Drumer
Hi!

And well, this was quite fast. By now, I went through every other one of your digitized adventures on here, sometimes over a month ago - but this is the very first time I receive a reply, and only hours later.

Yes, writing requires time and effort. So do a lot of things. By now, there are tens of thousands of video games you can download for free - and I am NOT talking about piracy or even abandonware. Often, their creators had to think about code, writing, art and music all at once. There's also the effort that goes into assembling even a short live-action film, or a full-length machinima, and many, many people have done those things for free as well. Let's just move on.

With your second response, I would like to mention theory of mind, if I may.

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Lastly, worry not - I would not have committed myself to the effort of going through everything digitized on this website if I did not harbour the ambitions of writing one or more myself. I have certainly learned a lot about what to do (and what not to do) from the authors here, and barring unforeeseen circumstances, I intend to put that to good use, sooner rather than later.

P.S. A reminder to FFProject that one of my posts on this thread is still caught up in the filter?

YARD
Fri Sep 22 19:39:38 2023
Wrong Way Go Back
Star - optimum ending reached
Oh, and just making sure to leave a starred comment, I guess, since I have already moved on to the second installment earlier.

YARD
Sun Sep 24 08:23:48 2023
Planet Of The Spiders
Star - optimum ending reached
..........................

All I have to say is: how is this rated "medium" in difficulty, again? Yes, it's not as arbitrary as the first one, where you have something like a 16% chance of failing midway through REGARDLESS of your stats (with an additional chance of failing due to poor skill alone) and THEN an additional, completely unavoidable 33% chance of failing that's due to completely arbitrary limitations alone

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Yet, it ultimately has an extremely narrow path to victory all the same, where only a couple of deviations are TECHNICALLY allowed, yet in practice leave you with negligible chances of winning fairly, and you have to make incredibly arbitrary guesses to find out the true path.

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I decided to check the other works' ratings here again, and altogether, they feel less explicable than ever. Completely trivial Curse Of The Yeti and Any Port In A Storm are rated with the same difficulty as this one? HOW?! So are A Saint Beckons, Beggars Of Blacksand, Below Zero Point, Bloodsworth Bayou and Garden of Bones, which do have some trap paths, but it's way, way easier to spot them and you spend much, much less time on them before getting to the right path, which is trivial. Hunger Of The Wolf and Shrine Of The Salamander are a bit harder than those, but still much easier than this one: you are much less likely to find yourself guessing "what am I doing wrong now?"

I am also REALLY unsure about A Knight's Trial, A Princess Of Zamarra, Midnight Deep and Rebels Of The Dark Chasms rated harder than this one. I feel that they are at most the same. Maybe it's hindsight speaking, but the House of Horror felt much easier: once you get to the wrong path which gives you meta-knowledge (which I don't THINK requires anything much more than to stumble upon the right room), then winning becomes a matter of passing a LUCK check and not getting mauled too badly in an even-skill fight early on (plus making the right choice close to the end, obviously) with the rest largely sorted by then. And the only thing which makes Bodies in the Docks even close to "fairly hard" is the balancing of the final fights, so you at most need to throw a few runs against the wall doing the same things until the dice fall in your favour.

YARD
Mon Sep 25 18:02:06 2023
Planet Of The Spiders
Did I forget to post the proofreading entry after it failed to fit the word count as usual, or did it just get caught up in the filter again? Either way...

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YARD
Mon Sep 25 18:33:26 2023
The Golden Crate
Star - optimum ending reached
In some ways, this actually felt somewhat easier than the previous installment. Granted, that was probably mostly due to getting used to the series' tricks than anything else. Some time was probably saved by reading the comments on Planet of the Spiders, which revealed a small, yet useful detail

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And the experience of Hellfire helped too, partly due to the same "you keep finding things on various paths that are really useful, but not useful enough vibe" (though the previous instalments also had that, it didn't feel remotely as extensive) and partly due to a (thankfully?) rarer element, that of

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Altogether, though I would say that in a way, it actually feels like a better Hellfire (not to mention a substantial improvement over its own predecessor) in that you have to do some comparable things to win (including one parallel that is a bit of a spoiler, yet immediately obvious once you get there), but it feels far more satisfying here to get closer and closer to the winning path, simply because this does not have a final boss who effectively does much of the work of removing their own defences for you. Plus, the check that avoids you failing post-boss-battle in Planet of the Spiders and the pathway to neutralize it was undoubtedly funny, yet also truly arbitrary. Here, it actually feels pretty clever once you figure it out. Plus, while the antagonists here are less interesting than in the previous one, and the runnning gags continue to be very hit-and-miss, robot encounters (including that completely skippable one) more than offset this with their impeccable logic (or "logic").

Mechanical things.

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And proofreading.

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YARD
Mon Sep 25 18:51:40 2023
The Hypertrout
Star - optimum ending reached
Well, this certainly was shorter than the ones before it!

Not sure what to say here. On one hand, there are two REALLY strong encounters here, with the pufferfish and the hyperspace watcher. Both actually add surprising gravity to the silly premise, and the former also manages to be really funny as well. On the other hand, the boss, such as it is, isn't great - yes, it's intentional, but the other character who is meant to compensate for his charisma void doesn't do it too well either. It doesn't help that conversations with her get the worst of the not-that-interesting running gag this time.

I am also not sure what to say about the character seemingly becoming more of a jerk as he is growing in power (both physical and organizational.) If actually intended this way, then it's certainly character development, and sadly, it's realistic character development as well. However, I have my doubts, and much will depend on the subsequent episodes to show if the scenes I have in mind are representative of the shift, or simply out-of-context.

Mechanically, I suspect this adventure is actually considerably harder to win properly then it was intended to be, simply because of this.

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The limitation you have to deal with here can seem particularly arbitrary at times (you get to be equipped with a whole spacesuit, but not with a pack or a bag of any kind?), but then again, the whole series is about arbitrary boons and burdens alike.

Lastly, ther's not AS much proofreading needed this time.

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YARD
Mon Sep 25 19:18:17 2023
The Golden Crate
I have avoided checking out the comments for this one and the previous one after resorting to it for the first, where I got stumped by certain items being at "Continue" prompts instead of getting used automatically. Here, though, I still discover something new that way. Namely:

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The Crazy Guy
Sun Oct 1 17:40:08 2023
Escape The Asylum
Star - optimum ending reached
I will purify the world! Maybe...

bcyy
Fri Oct 13 09:48:59 2023
General Chat
@Tammy

Brrr...
"My grandparents used to read".
Sounds cold.

BTW, we're just a couple of decades away from the first edition of Warlock of Firetop Mountain being in the public domain.

Not that it matters - you can download it from the internet now already.

anon
Sun Oct 22 22:41:38 2023
Impudent Peasant!
Star - optimum ending reached
Fun gamebook! The MC's low social status while doing normal hero things made me chuckle.

Carlo
Thu Oct 26 05:37:28 2023
Tomb Of The Ancients
Star - optimum ending reached
Fun!

Stuart Lloyd
Sun Nov 5 07:20:59 2023
Lindenbaum Competition
I am pleased to announced the 3rd annual Lindenbaum gamebook competition.
This year, the winners will be determined from a combination of judges and votes.
http://www.lloydofgamebooks.com/2023/11/20232024-lindenbaum-prize-announcement.html

Damian Wayne
Wed Nov 8 13:13:46 2023
The Hypertrout
Skull - non-optimum ending reached
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Where was the multi-breasted woman at ?