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The Curse Of Drumer
The Word Fell Silent
A Strange Week For King Melchion The Despicable
Sharkbait's Revenge
Tomb Of The Ancients
A Midwinter Carol
The Dead World
Waiting For The Light
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The Hypertrout
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In The Footsteps Of A Hero
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Beggars Of Blacksand
The Diamond Key
Wrong Way Go Back
Hunger Of The Wolf
Isle Of The Cyclops
The Cold Heart Of Chaos
The Black Lobster
Impudent Peasant!
Curse Of The Yeti
Bad Moon Rising
Riders Of The Storm
Bodies In The Docks
House Of Horror
Rebels Of The Dark Chasms
Midnight Deep
Lair Of The Troglodytes
Outsider!
The Trial Of Allibor's Tomb
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YARD
Thu Aug 10 05:34:15 2023
Outsider!
Yeah, I am not much of a manga/anime scene connoisseur myself, and I didn't read that much of Berserk (as opposed to about Berserk) but I do know it is probably the most influential manga of the 1990s, and it famously inspired quite a few things in Dark Souls. (As well as much of the original Drakengard, and many other works I can't name right now.)

Its creator, Miura, also started on it as a teen - I think he was a little younger than you were at the time of finishing Outsider when its publication began. Predictably, its backstory is very much what we would now call edgy, and the very first scene is of protagonist (named Guts, as his mother was already swinging from a tree along a dozen other people, heavily pregnant, before his actual "birth") fucking a blonde woman who transforms into a monster during the act before he shoots her with a gun hidden in his severed arm's metal stump. You can see why I thought there were parallels!

And imo, possibly the most interesting thing about otherwise not-that-distinct medieval Europe dark fantasy is how evil works there. There are four main evil deities there (at least, initially) and they are very reminiscent of Warhammer's Chaos Gods (had to check to make sure Warhammer was first). The thing is, serving any of them in Warhammer will almost certainly cost your sanity soon (along with deformities in some cases) and progression is not only very dangerous for life all along but the ultimate prize, becoming nigh-immortal Demon Prince, may well short-circuit and turn you into a gibbering Chaos Spawn. (serving all four as Chaos Undivided is a little less dangerous, but has no chance of becoming a Prince and will probably turn you into a weak and tormented winged demon once you die.)

Instead, all you are asked to do in Berserk is to sacrifice whoever is closest to you. Once you do that, you become an Apostle - a being that cannot die of old age and can either switch between a human and much stronger and more animalistic form at will, or at least always lives as semi-humanoid, semi-animal. Some can also convert humans into other beings loyal to them (Pseudo-Apostles). You are not asked to do anything afterwards - the only "rule" for the Apostles is Do as thou wilt. This is what makes it really disturbing - with such a low entry barrier, there is so much risk anyone you love can do that, and perhaps the pressure to do it first. In all, it is another overlap I found funny.

Thank you for the kind words! I hope that by the time I get around to submitting a gamebook of my own, it won't disappoint!

Gavin
Thu Aug 10 03:35:07 2023
Outsider!
All the material about vampires was ripped wholesale from Vampire The Masquerade. In which context, vampires don't have to obey the prince, the Prince only has as much power as they can enforce, like a medieval prince. I had no norion of Berserk at the time and only know it from TV Tropes now. Otherwise you've put more thought into this than I did, though perhaps our assassin hero is just unimaginative.

YARD
Thu Aug 10 03:29:23 2023
Outsider!
A couple more questions/comments.

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I am also interested in what triggers the entry where you start searching for the Defender and find out that Anne and the beggar are now in way better place than before (while you lose 2 Luck). Is it a random dice roll, or is it connected to some of your preceding choices?

YARD
Thu Aug 10 03:17:24 2023
Outsider!
Ah, so what you encounter in the valley is basically the opening scene of the Berserk manga in reverse? Likewise, it seems like some of the Defenders' moral code has actually been based on that of Apostles from the same?

I must say, one of the things I really like is the way you get a completely different impression of the Defender depending on how you approach him. People really can behave very differently depending on the context, even if the fiction can often forget it.


Likewise, Salome is very sympathetic if you approach her acting smart, and is little different from any other vampire if you pick the dumb options. Not that you can't work she is a vampire when she lets you use the library and explicitly refers to the Embrace, of course. That's one reason I do not feel bad about taking on that bonus contract, unless vampires in Titan actually have the self-control to feed without taking everything their prey needs.

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And yeah, in two out of the three Arielburg endings

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We are literally told just that. Every other time a woman besides Eddora turns up, he either looks on with outright disdain or goes "She reminds me of Eddora", and it gets predictable very quickly.

And I suppose my point is that the whole Master of Assassins plotline is cool when you first get there as a reward for finally getting past that difficult cat-and-mouse game, but logically it falls apart once you notice that you are supposedly waging this epic battle vs. the ever-growing law enforcement - all while still sitting in the exact same stinking tavern as always! It's like when in "bigger" video games, they are limited somewhat in the locations they can have the player visit - but here, there are no assets to render, and the written word can describe however many locations you like!

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Chris Haws
Wed Aug 9 15:59:08 2023
Tomb Of The Ancients
Star - optimum ending reached
Far too short, but neat and well-written

Gavin
Wed Aug 9 03:33:15 2023
Outsider!
Ariane was a reference to Herman Hesse's Steppenwolf, and was pretty self indulgent admittedly. Aria's lack of tactics are due to the supposed lithe assassin being overtaken by his burly narrator, I wouldn't have any idea what to do either. At the time of the Asssassin's Guild he's supposed to be deep into alcoholic madness, which did not mirror what I was doing in real life at all. I miss the part where he refuses to sleep with anyone else? Does he actually say that? Not endingoing without a massive boss fight would be anticlimactic. Othe rise thanks for taking the time for such detailed analysis, the flaws and mistakes are true enough.

YARD
Tue Aug 8 15:43:22 2023
Outsider!
There are also timeline inconsistencies between endings. I don't really get how come
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Another subtle, yet ridiculously large inconsistency:
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Lastly, I simply do not believe that
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....Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I still find a lot to admire about this gamebook, from the way it designs the combat encounters to all of the dry humour and the sociological observations which are consistently great. It strengths are indeed very strong - so strong that it seems like practically everyone to date chose to overlook its glaring weaknesses.

YARD
Tue Aug 8 15:29:49 2023
Outsider!
Outsider is so long, and so complicated (in all senses), that I need multiple comments to fit all opinions on it!

Anyway, yeah
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I am also disappointed in that
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Same as the contract, really, which only seems to drain your luck, unless you are trying for that achievement.

For that matter: I am disappointed that
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I also have no idea if "manage to manage it" in the same was intentionally written like that or not.

I should note that 25 (?) years on, there are still undeniable typos in certain entries (326 has "try to interrogation" and 828 misspells "psychic senses"). Hell, in the
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Perhaps not surprising in a story of this length, but unfortunate nevertheless. The second sentence in 324 is...maybe it was intended to read like that, but it's really weird, and I wonder if some other word was intended instead.

Finally, when I simply got the Defender ending, I thought that
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was a downside. Now, I consider it yet another benefit.

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I have to be honest, everything about the current ending is so dumb in context.
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Then again, it's probably nothing next to the fact there is effectively no narrative reason for
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YARD
Tue Aug 8 14:55:27 2023
Outsider!
Star - optimum ending reached
So, this story was written nearly 25 years ago, huh? Back when the author was a little younger than me?

On one hand, I'll admit that the very fact of a playable story persisting like this, in this corner of the internet, for this long, is amazing in and of itself. On the other hand, it makes it even more remarkable that, according to all of the preceding discussion, no-one else has said the things I'm about to say now.

Basically, I discovered the FFProject quite recently, after not playing these stories for well over a decade, and was immediately hooked. After I got to Outsider after binging a handful of shorter stories first, I initially blasted through it in a single evening, getting to the ending
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in the early morning. I realized that the fact
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, as well as the lack of a blue footer which the best endings in other works on here have, clearly meant it was not intended to be ideal, and that I still had plenty more outcomes to try and discover.

After taking a break from FFProject, I came back and finally got (one of) the blue footer, "Congratulations" endings.

I still by far prefer the ending I got then.

Moreover, back when I first finished it, I was really torn between which FFProject I preferred more on here - this one or A Princess Of Zamarra.

By now, it's no contest. I think A Princess Of Zamarra is far superior.


I know, I know, it's not very fair to compare works done 20 years apart, with one more of a trailblazer and the other getting a massive benefit of hindsight. Yet, I must say that the more I tried to get the intended endings, the more things I found to actually, truly hate.

I hate that
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I hate that you get healed 6 points after completing the Copper contract, (or every time you
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), yet you do not get healed at all between the necromancer contract and the Lasombra one, even though "weeks" pass between them? For that matter, you do not get healed in most other instances a lot of time passes between contracts either (i.e. between the Copper contract and the necromancer one, even though it's again a whole lot of time, or between Lasombra and subsequent contracts) but in those instances, you can at least heal somewhat by waiting to use psychic powers (even if you then choose the guild as the safest or the streets as the more potentially rewarding option) or just getting a ton of provisions, while in that case, you can at most use up precious blue potions.

I hate that after discovering the correct way to do the Lasombra quest on the first try
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, before I got the Defender ending, the subsequent attempts of that quest to see if there was anything else had simply shown what a moron Black Aria really is. The supposed reader of philosophers cannot think of any better way to investigate
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than whatever that entry was supposed to be? Nor think of anything more sophisticated to say to
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than just blurting things out? Or indeed, just think to wear gloves (why wasn't he wearing them in the first place if he already stole the uniform!)

I hate that you can outright kill Copper's son, and
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I hate the one-scene zero-context walking plot device named Ariane (seriously, who is she? The only reasonable guess would seem to be
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, but then why does she still show up regardless of the path you take to reach the count?)

I perhaps do not hate, but I am disappointed that no interaction with Morrigan (or with anything else) seems to matter the second time she potentially shows up in the story.

I am even more disappointed that
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YARD
Tue Aug 8 14:40:34 2023
Golem Gauntlet
Star - optimum ending reached
What a great concept! Tey is an excellent villain, and I love the atmosphere of every entry! The progression is certainly rather linear, but I suppose it would have been difficult to do it any other way. I do wish your run didn't effectively hinge on one of those two checks - either the Skill check when
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or the Luck check if
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Now, I must mention there are more than a few typos. I see that the last post from the creator was to say he would like to correct them...but that was five years ago. I hope this comment will finally get them fixed.

46: "must be a huge underground complex. Plus "and when you are lower your arm are surprised to see" - what is that structure?

7: "you may be able to jump for the rock". On the other hand, "might be able to be jumped" reads rather dubiously.

11: "you are about to discard it".

16: "noting how much easier it is".

73: "just as the soldiers re (?) the main room."

10: "It would be near impossible".

98: "Dejected, you re (?) the fireplace"??? And "as both will beare effectively losing the last of your ground cover. The sides of the valley are also narrow"

51: "Running will only alert them to your presence, but there might be a chance"

99: "And re (?) the valley floor".

19: Is it Daren Tey or Dalen Tey?

60: "Will now work to your benefit."

93: "A third woldier".

61: "slash at (?) your throat"?


Observations:


Shouldn't losing a clay arm to rain also lower your skill, or at least hit your fighting ability in combat alone?

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I also have no idea if
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in 12 is meant to prevent you from bringing
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into the battles with
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but I'm glad it doesn't work, then, because the battle is really arbitrary without it. Not to mention that while unlikely, I found out it actually is possible to
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And further, if
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how come
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I would have thought that
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Some suggestions:

Can we have at least the description of a
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differ a bit if you have the
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? Even if you just have it destroyed by the current almost immediately, it's still better than ignoring it.

I don't quite understand why
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Instead, I think it would be nice if
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In fact, perhaps
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Granted, perhaps this already exists, and I just haven't discovered it yet.

I wonder if perhaps there could be
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I've fixed these bugs (as opposed to the observations/suggestions), thanks for pointing them out. I've gone with Dalen rather than Daren as it involves the fewest changes.

Simon did provide an updated version last year, and it's on the downloads page, but I didn't go through it to work out what had changed so the online version is based on the text from 2012.

Chris Haws
Tue Aug 8 13:09:21 2023
A Shadow In The North
Skull - non-optimum ending reached
I haven't finished this story yet, but I am enjoying it immensely. It is true to the spirit of the later FF books, where you could go along the same path over and over until you realise you had done just one thing wrong. It's a big one it seems like its got at least 600 paragraphs, look forward to finishing it!

Tammy
Thu Aug 3 21:32:11 2023
General Chat
I think that when Ian and Steve finally go, they take everything with them, the rights, the trademarks. Unless they pass it all to Jon Green. FF fan fiction will still be around. Sadly dungeons and dragons outlives everyone. In 60 years fighting fantasy will be free to the public.

Liam
Wed Aug 2 10:35:08 2023
The Diamond Key
Skull - non-optimum ending reached
This should be a movie, Please make another one!!

Chris Haws
Wed Aug 2 08:07:43 2023
Beggars Of Blacksand
Skull - non-optimum ending reached
I really enjoyed this one, it had a lot of the flavour of the original books and didn't try to be funny or political like a lot of the others on this site. My only criticism is that it was too short!

bcyy
Mon Jul 31 10:17:59 2023
General Chat
@Gavin

I mean a fund that takes advantage of dramatic depreciations in the value of an asset.
For example, if the FF franchise were to be be worth only $1000 on the market for some reason, I'd be happy to buy and own it, even if it is not profitable.

I see now that the term "vulture fund" actually means only a special case of what I thought it meant - the case where the depreciated asset is debt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulture_fund

Gavin
Mon Jul 31 03:28:12 2023
General Chat
What's a vulture fund

bcyy
Thu Jul 27 12:24:30 2023
General Chat
@Offm

Doesn't seem like it.
Secrets of Salamonis and Shadow of the Giants are two recent entries, both of which I own, with another one coming out next year. None of this feels like a franchise that is dying.
It might be less profitable than its heyday when it was the best-selling gamebook series in the world, since it now faces fair competition from D&D. That competition, however, is peripheral, since D&D games typically take too much planning, too many close friends, and too much time to play.

If you have insider information which indicates that the franchise is somehow operating at a loss and is about to go bust, share it here if you can, and we could put together a vulture fund.

Paul
Sat Jul 22 23:11:31 2023
A Princess Of Zamarra
No but
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Tammy
Fri Jul 21 03:58:44 2023
Escape Neuburg Keep
You're very welcome Harry that you were and weren't entertained by the gore. It's supposed to be the sequel to beneath nightmare castle, so I had no choice but to up the gross, violence, and intensity. The ending is done like that on purpose unfortunately, but no information was given out from your lips and you save the realm. Maybe.....

Mage,
No, you cannot and will not according to the rules of khul, intended to survive in this book. But there is a faint chance you could survive, but desperation ultimately makes you try to escape rather than care about everyone's safety and future. Your future and life is all that matters, and you will fight to get out!

Tammy
Fri Jul 21 03:48:31 2023
General Chat
No! It will never die to diehard fans who keep visiting FF sites and buying the books. There is always room for open discussions that aren't gamebook related, but as you can see, members are still interacting regardless. There's only the nonsense of nonsense present whenever it's a must.